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S1: Episode 1. Mom & the Michael Jackson Fan

In this first episode, Sheryl and June explain why they made this podcast. June relates her experience as a Michael Jackson fan, and shares some of the difficult situations that arose in the wake of the Leaving Neverland documentary release. Sheryl presents her motivations behind researching the claims of Leaving Neverland, and offers her top 7 takeaways from the research that convinced her of Jackson's innocence.

Reviews of Leaving Neverland mentioned in the episode:

Time Magazine

The Washington Post

Fresh Air

Dax Shepard called Michael Jackson a monster.

Judd Apatow twitter response

"It takes days to recover from this documentary. Five minutes in you will think to yourself 'oh my God, every word they are saying is true.’"

Drake dropped a song featuring MJ on his tour

Katie Couric tweet about Leaving Neverland

"Leaving Neverland is one of the most devastating things I’ve ever watched. To see the lifelong trauma and destruction the abuse by Michael Jackson had on these men is hard to imagine, much less watch."

Article from Oprah daily

"It’s time to say goodbye to Michael Jackson"

Daniel Kahneman reference, "What You See Is All There Is" (WYSIATS)

Explanation of "What You See Is All There Is"

NYT article detailing the enablers in the Harvey Weinstein case

Politico article about the enablers in the Jeffrey Epstein case

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